Curse

xonnox · May 30, 2006, 11:41 PM // 23:41

I play on the American servers, because most of my friends are there. This means however that I get very little chance to actually enter UW or FoW because we have so little favour in general and the time we do have it doesn't really intersect well with the times I can play.

I would like to suggest then that favour be reworked as follows: Region with favour pays nothing for entry to either UW or FoW. Other regions are still able to enter, but pay something like 500g per person (4k total) perhaps. Since the average smite run delivers perhaps 1 or 2k gold and an ecto if you're lucky this would make you break a little more than even if you were to sell the ecto at current prices. However, this would still be alot cheaper than having to buy the ecto if you want to obtain FoW armor.

Furthermore this would allow people to go questing there whenever they like, since in a party of 8, 500g isn't too much to pay.

As it is, there isn't much to do in GW once you've completed the game. You might say go get a title, but most of those require ridiculous amounts of either time (such as the Explorer range) or money (Drunkard and Skill hunter come to mind) or both (Kind of a Big Deal or Seeker of Wisdom leaps out here). As a more casual gamer I enjoy playing a few hours here and there, but can't afford to spend hours on end day after day in the game. UW and FoW are exciting places to both quest and farm, and it is a shame that access to them is so limited.

Anyway, just my thoughts on the matter...

Venom4112 · May 30, 2006, 11:55 PM // 23:55

Well some may agrue that is why we have the Tomb of Primeval Kings, but..

/signed

Arkanius · May 31, 2006, 12:26 AM // 00:26

"I play on the American servers, because most of my friends are there. This means however that I get very little chance to actually enter UW or FoW because we have so little favour in general and the time we do have it doesn't really intersect well with the times I can play."

European friends, please rewind the time to like... 1 year ago, and see how much we suffered.

/not signed :P

Vilaptca · May 31, 2006, 12:33 AM // 00:33

Go to Heroes Ascent, and try to convince America to stop running IWAY 24/7.

If you can do this, you would be...a god...America would have favor more often...maybe...probably not at first because they only know IWAY, but we'll come back as soon as we drop our bad habits...

Arkantos · May 31, 2006, 02:12 AM // 02:12

Theres no problem with the current system, just europe owns america. Remember when america owned europe? Yeah, its europes turn now. Eventually america will get better, and europe will be complaning 24/7. Paying 4k when you dont have favour is unfair. People actually do something to earn the favour. What do you do? Whine, complain? Whats that gonna do? Bottom line is the best way to solve favour is take it away, but if they do that there will be more complaints.

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Originally Posted by Vilaptca

Go to Heroes Ascent, and try to convince America to stop running IWAY 24/7.

If you can do this, you would be...a god...America would have favor more often...maybe...probably not at first because they only know IWAY, but we'll come back as soon as we drop our bad habits...

QFT

all america does is IWAY, with some balanced and spikes.

BrotherGilburt · May 31, 2006, 02:29 AM // 02:29

ohhh, we get plenty of favor.... its just all at night! Yes, I would like to see favor be reworked. But I'm afraid your way may nto work. How would the people pay? What if one guy doesn't have the money? how does everyone else go? Do you pay this cost on top of the 1k it already takes? That would be 1.5k for leader. I'd like to see favor reworked but perhapes in a deferant way. It shouldn't cost 4-5k to go to FoW or UW.

Brother Gilburt

razzal · May 31, 2006, 04:10 AM // 04:10

Instead of having america/europe favor why not make it luxon/kurzick favor

BrotherGilburt · May 31, 2006, 05:19 AM // 05:19

eh, that would be changing a key part of the original game. Favor is very important to some people and if teams were divided into kurzick and luxon groups that would just mess it up. The kurzicks and luxons aren't in the original Guild Wars. People who only own the original because they don't want to deal with people being divided into two groups shouldn't have to deal with it in Hero's Ascent.

Brother Gilburt

Undivine · May 31, 2006, 09:14 AM // 09:14

Actually, I like this idea a lot. It really has the best of both worlds; we can always do FoW or UW, but we maintain the world at war thing that some people, for whatever reason, seem to like. It also means places like Japan will finally see FoW and UW.

And I think the price of 4K for a group is pretty reasonable if your area does not have favor. It certainly beats not being able to enter at all. 500 gold is not too much to ask of each person when they will gain back more than enough from adventuring there. It also means solo or duel farming isn't as effective unless you have favor, which actually is still better for the farmers than the current system. It means for those of us who don't farm, we can form a group without having to deal with those annoying Mo/W's trying to cheat us, at least, when we don't have favor. *Looks at Brother Gilburt's obsidian armor.* Err... no offense.

/sign me up.

thrice · May 31, 2006, 09:51 AM // 09:51

/signed

I've never seen Taiwan have the favor of the gods.

Arkanius · May 31, 2006, 11:05 AM // 11:05

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Originally Posted by thrice

/signed

I've never seen Taiwan have the favor of the gods.

I did, 4 times already, same with Japan.

Stolichnaya · May 31, 2006, 11:15 AM // 11:15

While I was farming last night America had favor around 8:30PM EST and still had it when I went to bed around 11:30PM EST...plenty of time to get some runs in.

Hoax · May 31, 2006, 11:16 AM // 11:16

ya plenty but what about the ppl who dont play at night? or the ppl on west coast

Premium Unleaded · May 31, 2006, 11:33 AM // 11:33

/notsigned

Like Arkanius said, it was like this for Europe as well up until about the last quarter of '05 or so with America having favour most of the time. Why do you think you should get special treatment whereas we had to suck it up and deal with it?

Ehrenia · May 31, 2006, 11:38 AM // 11:38

get americans to stop doing iway and spike, which both suck. then they will have a chance.

Fitz Rinley · May 31, 2006, 12:05 PM // 12:05

/signed

I do not care what PvP players use or do not use. They should have zero control over what non-PvP players do or not do. Winning Favor has an established unique effect in the game - the miraculous appearence/manifestation of deities at their shrines.

The favor system as it exists is unfair in treatment of any player with a different life schedule from the norm, regardless of region.

Any argument based in the, ''Well it was that way with so-n-so,'' is pseudologic. The same reasoning would say when John breaks his left leg being thrown from a horse then we should all break our left leg being thrown from a horse. Simply because someone else does it or it happened to someone else, does not make it right for another to insist the immorality continue. Had I been in forums when Europe was having a difficult time getting favor, I would not have supported any arguments of ''Just get better.''

Favor and Faction should not make access to any amount of game content by any purchaser depend on the whim or chance of any other player. It should not. It never should have. The only ethical thing is to make sure it ceases indefinately.

Fitz

WasAGuest · May 31, 2006, 01:30 PM // 13:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

/signed

I do not care what PvP players use or do not use. They should have zero control over what non-PvP players do or not do. Winning Favor has an established unique effect in the game - the miraculous appearence/manifestation of deities at their shrines.

The favor system as it exists is unfair in treatment of any player with a different life schedule from the norm, regardless of region.

Any argument based in the, ''Well it was that way with so-n-so,'' is pseudologic. The same reasoning would say when John breaks his left leg being thrown from a horse then we should all break our left leg being thrown from a horse. Simply because someone else does it or it happened to someone else, does not make it right for another to insist the immorality continue. Had I been in forums when Europe was having a difficult time getting favor, I would not have supported any arguments of ''Just get better.''

Favor and Faction should not make access to any amount of game content by any purchaser depend on the whim or chance of any other player. It should not. It never should have. The only ethical thing is to make sure it ceases indefinately.

Fitz

/agreed
/signed

Fantus · May 31, 2006, 01:50 PM // 13:50

Funny, really. Last summer when EU NEVER had favor at all, they came here and whined and complained and begged - while the US guys just shrugged and said "go win HoH if you want to enter UW/FoW".

No, it's the US guys whining and the EU guys vigorously defending the favor scheme since they are the ones profiting from it at the moment...

What do we learn of that? That the vast majority of all humans are egomanics who don't give a sh*t about others as long as they personally are doing well.

I am soooo eagerly waiting for Taiwan or Japan gaining total control of the favor system and see those Europeans defending that brutally flawed system now becoming the greatest whiners on earth again...

(and no, I am not a whining US guy who can't enter UW/FoW, I have acccounts in both US and EU and thus have favor about 95% of the time - personally, I wouldn't have the slightest reason to complain. I do it because the favor system IS broken and is waiting to be fixed since GW exists...)

makosi · May 31, 2006, 01:58 PM // 13:58

I only joined this forum a couple of months ago and i'm asking a serious question: did the Europeans make threads with concern about the favour issue? <I really don't know>

Anyway I remember when favour used to swing from Korea to America to Korea to America as if it was Wimbledon and favour was a tennis ball. Europe would get Favour once in a blue moon and if you blinked, you missed it. I see the UW/FoW as a luxury and not the height of the game but I can still see why the American (and other) populations would be irritated by not having access. I don't understand why America can't hold favour long because Europeans run cheap spike builds and IWAY too. can anybody shine a light on this?

As a result I abstain from signing anything. The reward for winning HoH is petty now that Sigils are ~16k and the chance of getting something extremely rare from the chest is...well... extremely rare. At least winning favour for your geographical area is something of an incentive.

Edit: Fantus' idea about Egomania is spot on.

Tarun · May 31, 2006, 03:30 PM // 15:30

/signed

I wonder how PvPers would feel if they could only PvP when the PvE players had the favor of say.. Glint/Kuunavang. Imagine the Battles Isles being like Atlantis. It sinks unless your region has favor. Or even certain islands. Food for thought.

If you can see what that is like, PvPers; it gives you a taste of how PvE players feel about trying to go into UW and FoW.